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The shadings calculation should normally be based on a 3D scene. In this case you should use "Tracking, horizontal axis N/S". However for a quick pre-calculation, you can use the orientation option "Unlimited trackers", which will perform the shadings calculation according to a generic reguar system. NB: You cannot use a 3D scene with the option "Unlimited sheds".
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Some answers to your questions: 1. - SOCBal is the stored energy difference between the beginning of the calculation period and the end. It cannot be higher than the energy contents of the battery of course. 2. - The SOC at the beginning of the simulation is specified in the advanced parameters, topic "Batteries". 3. - Yes, the availabe energy when discharging is EBatDisc - CL_InvB 4. - No, PVsyst doesn't treat the mode of charging the battery from the grid. This doesn't make much sense: what would be the strategy? When activating the charging ? Why?
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This is not quite exact. The PR is referred to the Incident global GlobInc (result of the transposition), not the GlobEff. NB: This PR is calculated by PVsyst. You should obtain the same result. The PR indicator takes into account all the losses mentioned on the loss diagram, between "Global incident in Collector plane" and "Energy injecter into the grid".
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PVsyst doesn't take an ageing of the inverter into account. On which operating parameter would it be applied ? I doubt that the efficiency could be affected, as this would increase the heating along its life. The only effect I can see is the reduction of the lifetime (MTBF). This is not addressed in PVsyst in the present time. Now for the evaluation of the produced heat during operation, the best way would be to use the inefficiency, which is a curve according to the power, and possibly to the input voltage. This is directly accessible in the simulation data (IL_Oper loss) for each operating hour.
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I don't understand well what you mean. The LID loss is accounted in the simulation. It is explicitly defined in the Detailed losses parameters. The warranty mentioned on the datasheets is not registered in the PAN file, and not taken into account in PVsyst.
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The amount of energy output from bifacial vertical mounting!
André Mermoud replied to Amirhossein's topic in Simulations
I don't know what you are waiting for. Our calculation model is the better way we can imagine for the evaluation of the Bifacial yield. We have deeply checked for the version 7.4.3, that the rear side incidence irradiance is equivalent to the front side (up to about 1-2%). If the bifacial results were false, this would mean that the whole simulation of PVsyst (front and rear side) is erroneous, i.e. that the transposition models themselves are incorrect. I don't know with which data in real conditions you are comparing the PVsyst simulations, and what you consider as acceptable. NB: If you have really measured data on the field, we would be happy to get them for analysing the discrepancies. I don't know how PV*SOL evaluates the vertical bifacial systems, but we don't have any reason of being quite compatible with their resuts. -
Sandia Model Database no longer supported?
André Mermoud replied to linkeshd's topic in PV Components
The Sandia model is completely obsolete. It cannot be used without specific Sandia detailed measurements. And the latest available measurements are those included in the PVsyst database (recorede about 2005 ?). This model had been inplemented in PVsyst just for a comparison with the one-diode model of PVsyst. -
In PVsyst, the only way of creating Reactive power is to set a constant specified Power factor. This cannot depend on the grid voltage, or grid frequency, as these values are not an input variable of the simulation. The grid voltage is supposed nominal, without variations. The power factor may be specified also with grid storage systems.
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AC Ohmic losses and transformer losses missing
André Mermoud replied to Niels's topic in Problems / Bugs
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You have 244 strings on 144 MPPT. I.e. 100 MPPT with 2 strings and 44 with one string. This means 244 x 25 modules = 6'100 modules - 1 module. First option: you neglect the string with 24 modules, and define one only sub-array with 12 inverters with "Use MPPT feature" unchecked. This will give a quite reasonable result with an error of 1 /6'100 = 0.2 per mille. The result will be fully reliable in PVsyst. Second option: the problem is that the PNom sharing within an inverter cannot be used when this inverter PNom is shared with other subarrays. In this case you have to define sub-arrays with a number of strings divisible by the number of MPPT inputs. Therefore if you want something more sophisticated, you should define 4 sub-arrays: - SubArray #1 with 11 full inverters and 223 strings (uncheck the option "Use Multi-MPPT feature). I.e. you leave 21 strings for the last inverter. - SubArray #2 with 9 MPPT inputs and 18 strings - SubArray #3 with 2 MPPT inputs and 2 strings - SubArray #4 with 1 MPPT inputs and 1 string of 24 modules. and you will define an explicit PNomsharing between the subarrays #2, #3 and #4. Hopefully this should give the same result as the first option, minus 0.02%.
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No, we don't have any verification. This is a theoretical hypothesis, expecially for the coherency of vertical bifacial systems. This contibution is low for other orientations (tilts around 10-20°) . It is not taken into account in the simulations without Bifacial calculation.
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Yes, the optimizers may yield a little benefit, especially with irregular shading situations (building integration). With sheds arrangements, the benefit is really very low. For a simple system in sheds like this (3 rows of 16 modules in landscape on each table) the annual results (at Marseille ) are shown here for different optimizer technologies. NB: most optimizers on the market are "Buck only". Only SolarEdge uses Buck/Boost.
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The irradiance incident on a tilted plane has basically 3 components: the beam, the diffuse, and a contribution of the reflexion of the sun's rays on the ground in front of (but far) from the collector plane. These 3 contributions are taken into account in the transpostion models. Now with bifacial systems, we work with the albedo of the ground just below the PV plant. This may be different from the albedo of the far terrain in front of the PV system.
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Just a remark concerning your doubt about the warning "You should define at least one string per inverter or MPPT Input". This corresponds to the SubArray you are just defining: if you define N MPPT, you should obviously define at least N strings, i.e. at least one string per MPPT defined within this subarray.
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PVsyst is a software for the simulation of PV systems, based on PV modules characteristics. The main parameters used for the establishment of the PV module model are the STC electrical values, i.e. mainly reflecting the efficiency of the module . This efficiency is obviously dependent on the coverage (glass) covering. But this is not dissociated from the efficiency of the PV cell itself. In other words, the glass transparency properties are included in the STC specification. There is no specific study of the glass transmission in PVsyst. Now the simulations are dependent on the incidence angle of the sun's rays. For this we define an efficiency curve, defined with respect to the efficiency at normal incidence. This curve may be measured, but this is a difficult measurement. We strongly trust that this behaviour follows the optical laws of Fresnel. See our FAQ https://forum.pvsyst.com/topic/1190-how-to-determine-the-iam-profile/?do=getNewComment
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The LID is a loss which arises in the first hours of the array exposition. Therefore it is "present" in any simulation, whatever the simulated year. The aging is applied to each year, as a "yearly degradation". The loss due to the aging for the first year is the average between the beginning and the end of the year. I.e. a yearly loss parameter of -0.4% will induce an aging loss of 0.2% for the first year, 0.6% for the second year, etc. The value mentioned on the datasheets have nothing to do with the average aging degradation. These are the warranty of power for any module in the array. Please see the help " Project design > Array and system losses > Ageing, PV modules degradation "
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With a PNom ratio of 1.25 you are at the limit of the overload. The global yearly contribution of your peak shaving savings is 33.6 MWh / 18’930 MWh, i.e. 0.18%, i.e. negligible. This cannot motivate the expense of a Peak shaving storage. During these months, you never attain conditions when the system output power exceeds the Power limit, so that you don’t have any peak shaving.
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First of all: the one-diode model for the low-temperatures is correct down to about -10°C. With most modern modules, the one-diode model fails at very low temperatures, the voltage thermal coefficient is changing sign, meaning that the voltage is decreasing instead of increasing when the temperature diminishes. This may lead to an error in the Voc(TMin) evaluation for the max. nimber of modules. Please check with a linear model (for example by explicitly setting the muVoc value in the PV module definition (page "Additional data"), and specifying that the program should use this value in the "Project's settings"). Now the limitation of such a configuration is mostly dominated by the Power overload. When Power overload occurs, the inverter will move the operating point on the I/V curve towards higher voltages, therefore lower currents. This explains that the current limitation is almost never reached in usual configurations, it is always "preceded" by a power overload. Attaining the current limit is only possible when you define very short strings, at the limit oif the minimum voltage of the inverter. The PVsyst simulation completely manages all these situations. This is explained in the Help " Physical models used > Grid inverter > Inverter Operating Limits"
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Slight edit to "IL" variable names in PVsyst Help Menu
André Mermoud replied to kjs55's topic in Suggestions
In the Power factor page, I thought that in this context the name E_GridApp is more explicit than EApGrid. This is here a generic value, nor supposed to correspond exactly to the PVsyst variables. The variables acronyms were chosen at the beginning of PVsyst (1992), with the constraint that they shoiuld not exceed 7 characters. -
No sorry, this is not possible in PVsyst in the present time.
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In PVsyst the relevant capacity parameter is th C10 value. It may be slightly different from the rated capacity, usually set for 0.2C (discharge in 5 hours) or 0.5C (discharge in 2 hours). In the above dialog: the stored energy is calculated from the global values just mentoned above: 9830 V * 473960 Ah * 0.9 = 4193.295 MWh. However, in your screenshot, I can't understand the global capacity value of 473'960 Ah. The product 13'872 * 205 in parallel gives 2'843'760 Ah, i.e. as if there were 6 racks in parallel in your Battery pack. I can't reproduce this problem on my PVsyst installation. Probably there is something incoherent in the definition of your battery file. Please send it to us (support@pvsyst.com), in order that we can analyse this problem.
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Many questions in a single péost ... Bifacial: I don't see well what you mean by the "calculation in EXCEL". The bifacial model calculation is fully described in the help " Project design > Bifacial Systems" The bifacial feature of the PV modules is described by the only parameter "Bifaciality factor", which is the STC performance of the rear side with respect to the STC performance of the front side. Shading calculations: except with the "Unlimited sheds" option, which uses an analytic calculation in 2D, the shadings calculations require indeed the 3D construction. The Transformer losses may be calculated from the transformer's datasheets parameeters, or generic loss factores for the Copper and the Iron losses. See the help "Project design > Array and system losses > External transformer losses" The auxiliaries losses represent the consumption of auxiliary devices (like cooler, computers, tracker motors, etc) that you want to be "deduced" from your sold electricity in the final balance. PReactive power losses: in the present time, PVsyst doesn't take the impedance (reactive "energy" loss) of the AC circuit and transformers into account. Therefore the power factor defined at the inverter output is the power factor as required by the grid manager.
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There is no "a priori" constraints. This completely depends on what you want to optimize, the available area, etc... A "normal" DC:AC ratio, ensuring an oveload loss of, say, less than 1%, would be 1.25 to 1.3 (to be checked by the simulation). Now for some PV plants, the power injection to the grid may be limited by the grid manager. In this case it can be interesting to increase the PV array, in order to produce more energy, at the price of some additional overload loss, and therefore a diminution of the PR. Now the PR is not necessarily the good parameter to be optimized. In many cases this may be the total produced energy, the final system profitability, etc... .
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In PVsyst, the wearing state of the battery is evaluated through two variables: - SOWCycl = wearing state due to cycling - SOWStat = static wearing state (specified lifetime whatever it is used or not). These indicators are evaluated during each simulation. When using the "Aging tool", they are "chained" from one simulation to the next one. This indicates when you have to replace the battery pack. You can get them in the results: These losses are based on the battery definition properties. Now in the reality, the aging of the battery results in a continuous diminution of the capacity. The lifetime is usually defined as the time when you attain 80% of the nominal capacity. The simulation of PVsyst doesn't take this capacity diminution along the years into account. This is not very important, as the Capacity is not a crucial parameter during the system running: a variation of 20% has a very low effect on the final performance.