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Everything posted by Michele Oliosi
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Yes, PVsyst does at the moment recalculate the GTI from a GHI and DHI values. GHI and DHI may be generated from an input measured GTI. This is because as things stand, a MET file can be used with any orientation, i.e., it should be useable with an orientation other than that of the measured device. Moreover, the GTI itself does not have all the needed irradiance information, we need to decompose into diffuse components and direct component in order to make all calculations e.g., IAM or shadings. However, recomputed GTI and original GTI will in general differ by at most 1%.
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How to calculate the irradiance on ground?
Michele Oliosi replied to squeezer's topic in Simulations
Hi, as far as PVsyst goes, this is not yet possible. The only variable that can be exported currently is the GlobGnd which gives you the average irradiance on ground in the system area (i.e. removing shading from the PV tables). But there is no spatial distribution. However we will indeed implement features that can help with agrivoltaic plants in the future. These features may come as soon as next year, although the schedule has not been set yet. -
V7.3.1 diffuse shade on trackers - issue with tracker selection
Michele Oliosi replied to Debbie's topic in Problems / Bugs
Actually the "automatic" selection is the historical way that was used in previous versions. We added the window for people to be able to have more control on the choice of trackers, while being able to use the "old" way. It became clear we had to propose other ways when we noticed the issue you point out. The related help page https://www.pvsyst.com/help/tracking_diffuse.htm -
Dear Brij, It is incorrect to refer as the LID loss with respect to the nominal energy value. You have to consider the loss diagram flow: The LID is only accounted after the irradiance level, temperature, module quality losses (and other losses that may appear in your project). I.e. you need to change the value you use in B in your equation to account for these.
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It is possible but it will only work if you use "arrays of tables", in particular if you have arrays that share the same pitch, orientation, and table sizes.
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Correct partition layout for tables
Michele Oliosi replied to dennis.stu's topic in Shadings and tracking
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@NIken if you can, in "Orientation" define two orientations each with their azimuth (e.g. -90° and +90°). Mixed orientation is the correct setup in the "System" window
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PR correction on tracking systems
Michele Oliosi replied to Esteban1990's topic in Shadings and tracking
What is meant is the following: the tracking motion will exacerbate the seasonal variation of the PR, indeed in great part due to shadings. This is the corresponding graph in the documentation: In practice, this means that the goal of having a more stable PR throughout the year is missed. You can see in the graph that the usual PR is more stable. I am not sure what the results are with backtracking though, it may be worth checking. -
Indeed, currently the custom import is limited to handling only a single year (i.e. you need to split your data into 10 files). The only way currently to import a series of years at once is if the data is in standard PVsyst format (https://www.pvsyst.com/help/meteo_pvsyst_standard_format.htm), so that it can be imported via the "Known format" import tools.
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Yes of course, if you are estimating the production for several years, you should implement a degradation rate. 0.4%/year is the standard value in PVsyst and shown to be a typical value by various studies.
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You can change the "lower temperature for absolute voltage limit". This should be the minimum temperature recorded over multiple years.
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It is not possible currently sorry. Note that a second decimal place means between 0.01% and 0.1% depending on the GCR. This is well below the usual precision of the simulation; moreover, isn't this well below the typical significance of geometric measurements?
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The approximation will probably be slightly optimistic for the bifacial gain. There is a way to not change your 3D scene tilts, it would be to go to the 3D scene > Tools > Orientation management, increase the tolerance (more than 20°) and click on Identify. In this way you can trick PVsyst into considering only the single average orientation with tilt 0°. The transposition gains for the front side will however be a bit off.
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As mentioned, the warranty information (that you can enter on the bottom right of the window) will not affect the simulation, it is just indicative ! The orange curve (sum of average degradation factor and mismatch increase due to degradation) should generally stay above the black curve (warranty), to be realistic. If you really want to study a degradation = to the warranty, I would suggest entering 0 to both RMS values, and 0.55%/year in the "Aver. degradation factor". But I don't know why you would like to do so.
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In your situation, the issue comes from having multiple orientations. PVsyst has currently some trouble handling imbalances between MPPT powers when they are both due to a difference in nominal DC power, or differences due to the orientation which causes the power to shift from a string to the other. The most critical is the case of configuration 1. I would suggest not to use the multi-MPPT for these 2 inverters of configuration 1. You should instead define a single orientation with 2 inverters while disabling the “multi-MPPT feature”. You can then define the orientation as “mixed orientation”. There is a cost, however, in that you should define your strings as either all with optimizers or without optimizers (I assume that is what OPT means). This approximation is necessary to be able to have a single sub-array and use the mixed orientation feature. I think you will end up with less clipping losses. But since this case is quite complicated, please let us know the results, and we will help you with it if there are still some problems. We can also move the discussion to emails, at support@pvsyst.com, as you prefer.
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No, sorry, the results are not really useable like this. The backside irradiation model (bifacial model in PVsyst) is a 2D approximation that currently only works on single orientation rows. It does not take into account shading objects from the shading scene, as the roof you are adding instead of the other rows. What is the height of the modules ? Are they at ground level ? If so, you can expect zero bifacial gain. If they are on a structure that lifts the rows above ground (like on a carport) then there may be some bifacial gain. If the rows are well above ground, you can consider approximating your system by a tilt 0 flat disposition. In terms of bifacial gain, you should get an ok result.
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Outlier treatment using non-linear regression
Michele Oliosi replied to Rafael Vilela's topic in Simulations
I don't know the reason for the -28W/m^2 specifically, but I imagine it is related to accommodating some measurements we used for the validation of the code. Physically, considering the balance of radiation at night (a clear sky has a low temperature) it is common that pyranometers give negative readings at night. For PVsyst it doesn't matter too much, since there are other “nighttime” filters that set the production to zero. Your research is definitely interesting, we'll gladly give it a read once published / made public. I am sure it may be appealing to other forum users as well. -
A warranty cannot be used in the simulation. It is a warranty, i.e., commercial information. It does not really reflect a module degradation. Besides, the downwards slope is not easily readable from the graph but would be about 0.7%/year, which, as mentioned, would be overly pessimistic if it was a real degradation rate.
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Hi, first, please be careful that the warranty specifications on a datasheet are not equivalent to the degradation factor. The warranty specifications are usually a bit pessimistic. Then, the first year degradation factor is likely due to LID of 3%. You can define an LID of about 3%, and use only the 0.3%/year in the degradation window.
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PV System withou injection energy to grid
Michele Oliosi replied to Michalis Angeli's topic in Simulations
In this case please go on with "Grid connected" and not "Standalone". In the storage strategy you have the option to allow or forbid the solar energy injection into the grid. -
The important point to clarify is what a configuration means: it is a certain number of inverters that have exactly the same strings & MPPT configuration. Among your 7 inverters, there may be a subset (for example 3) that share in the same strings & MPPT configuration. Then in the sub-arrays that refer to this configuration, you should have a multiple of the number of MPPT in this configuration (in the example 3). It is essential to separate the total number of inverters in your system, from the number of inverters in a given configuration. Indeed, this check is relatively new. However, this means that some incorrect situations were allowed in the past.
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Outlier treatment using non-linear regression
Michele Oliosi replied to Rafael Vilela's topic in Simulations
When importing custom data, PVsyst will test whether irradiances are between -28 W/m^2 and 1600 W/m^2. If the irradiances are out of these bounds, they are considered 0. If you want to use the data in PVsyst, I would suggest using your filters for outliers before importing in PVsyst. Finally, the sine may work ok for clear sky conditions, but how do you account for overcast conditions ?