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Array MPP Below Inverter MPP Range?
André Mermoud replied to bradley_borrego's topic in Problems / Bugs
This is treated in the "Module Layout" electrical shadings part. After defining the Module Layout, you can perform a pseudo-simulation and observe the behavior of the I/V curves under shadings along the day. You are right, the MPP voltage will drop, in about the same ratio as the number of submodules shaded. This is the reason why with sheds arrangement, the "beam" production is completely lost as soon as the first bottom cell is shaded (see our FAQ "How to evaluate the effect of by-pass diodes in shaded arrays"). And indeed the MPP voltage often drops below the VmppMin of the inverter. Up to the version 6.32: the voltage was clipped to the VmppMin, Since version 6.33: if the Vmpp is under the voltage limit, PVsyst will search for the secondary maximum (which corresponds to the MPP for the diffuse). In the yearly simulation, both options give very close results. However the Module layout electrical shadings are not treated in the version 5. -
Near-shading Model along a Slope
André Mermoud replied to moss-solar's topic in Shadings and tracking
In the 3D editor: When defining a "PV plane in sheds", you have the opportunity of specifying "shed-to-shed slope". If you have different shading objects (or planes), you can always specify their altitude. Now since the version 6.33, you can define a terrain ("Ground object"), and position your fields ("Tables") automatically according to the terrain altitude. NB: You cannot specify a slope with the simplified orientation choice "Unlimited sheds". -
You cannot delete components from PVsyst. You have to use your Windows File explorer for suppressing manualy the concerned files in your data in \MyDocuments\PVsyst6_Data\Components\Inverters\
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Why near shadings occurs when Back tracking is used?
André Mermoud replied to Gayathridevi's topic in Shadings and tracking
This is due to shading effects on the diffuse. Please see the FAQ How is calculated the shading loss on diffuse with tracking systems? -
As for the initial degradation of amorphous modules, the initial state without LID is neglected for the simulation. The simulation results are usually meant as a "normal year" yield, and often assumed as a result valid over several years (by sometimes applying an annual degradation on the results for the next years). This would not make sense to take a transitory effect into account in the general simulation evaluation. By the way the LID loss -and its evolution/durability - is never well known (may depend on the crystal quality, the production batch, etc). The little gain we could observe by treating this initial degradation is probably completely negligible, far below the uncertainties of the rest of the simulation. The important thing is to determine the absolute value of the LID loss (by respect to the specified STC performance), as it will affect the yield during the whole life of the power plant.
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This is corrected in the version 6.33. However the option "Create from" is only useful for copying a calculation version from another project. In a given project, you can always open an existing calculation version, modify it and save it as a new version. For using a calculation version from another project, you can always rename it (or create a copy) with your target project name (using the Windows file manager).
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No sorry, this is not possible with tilted tracking axis. However if you have an array of this kind, the mutual shading effects and all other performances will be the same as for a "normal axis" system.
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Is it possible to have a reflective surface in PVsyst
André Mermoud replied to Jonny2993's topic in How-to
Sorry, this is not possible in PVsyst. This would be very difficult to manage reflexions in a general way, as these are highly dependent on the geometry, the incidence irradiance and the surface's reflexion properties. By the way please remember that in a string of modules, the current of the worst cell drives the current of the whole string. Therefore if you don't have a perfect uniformity on at least one string area, you won't gain anything. -
When you are in the shading 3D editor, in the main menu you have the option "Files" > "Save scene view" > "Keep this view for the report" You can manage your desired view in the editor (including shaded situation), and then use this option for the next issue of the report.
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This reference of the AC loss with respect to Pmpp(STC) is a default value, it is a first guess proposed by the software for a quick estimation of a reasonable value. The real relevant value is based on the Rwiring value, that you should ideally calculate for your actual wiring installation. The resulting ohmic wiring loss is indeed expressed as a percentage of the Energy remaining at this point of the simulation. You can have a look on our FAQ "How to determine the Wiring loss Parameter", and also How to determine the parameters for external transfo loss ?.
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Not in the present time. We will try to do that for a next version.
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The simulation of PVsyst works on an hourly basis: one calculation for each hour, according to the meteo data for this hour (Global and diffuse irradiances, temperature). Now when meteo data are only available as Monthly values, PVsyst has to generate a synthetic hourly data file (random distribution) for working. See our FAQ What are Synthetic Hourly Data ?
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Indeed, I don't know any systematic and significant differences of PR between different technologies in "usual" climates. Sometimes it may be more, sometimes less. Only the simulation can give an answer in a given climate, and you have an estimation of the respective irradiance and temperature losses. Moreover, the comparison results are not necessarily reliable as the module's performance parameters may be defined in different ways (Manufacturer-defined or default parameters for Rserie and Rshunt, etc). We don't have a detailed measurement report for each module (especially for low-light performance, i.e. Rserie determination). As you point out, it is possible to have less thermal losses with thin film technologies with lower muPmpp coefficients in very hot climates, but 8 to 10% seem a very high discrepancy.
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Batch mode - hourly output files for multiple years of meteo data
André Mermoud replied to rebecca.dunn's topic in How-to
When defining the batch mode, you should tick "Create Hourly File". If you do that, when exiting the batch mode dialog, the dialog for the definition of Hourly files appears after the message : "You have to define the contents of your hourly file". However you can also define the output CSV file by the button "Output file". On the batch parameters defintions sheet, you will have to specify a filename for each hourly file you want to create. -
There are some few references for particular cases. But I don't know any general study nor methodology for the estimation of the soiling factor in any situation.
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Many questions. The shading losses in PVsyst are of several kinds: - Loss on the beam component: the shading factor is the ratio of the shaded area to the total sensitive area. This may be pre-calculated in a table (as function of the sun's orientation) for a quick use by interpolation during the simulation. This may also be calculated at each simulation step (slower process). - Loss on the diffuse component: this is based on the hypothesis of an isotropic diffuse, and results from an integral of the shading factor for rays comming from all directions "seen" by the collector plane (orange slice of the heavens between collector plane and horizontal). This doesn't depend on the sun's position, and is therefore constant over the year. - Loss on the albedo component: same idea than for the diffuse: the integral is performed on the "orange slice" between the horizontal plane and the prolongation of the plane undergroud. The factor is shaded for parts below obstacles on the ground. There are also the shading factor "according to module strings" and "according to module layout" for the electrical mismatch effect, but this is another question. Now when you have a completely covered day (i.e. without any beam contribution), the shading loss in indeed determined according to the constant loss factor on the diffuse, what you observe in your results. In the results, you can get the 3 contributions (in hourly or monthly values): ShdBLss, ShdDLss, ShdALss, ie. shading losses on beam, Diffuse and Albedo respectively. And the corresponding shading factors (0 = full shading, 1 = no shading).
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There is no way for doing this directly in PVsyst. However you can perform a simulation with the tracking option, and another one with a fixed plane at the "blocked" position. For each simulation you can produce an hourly file. In EXCEL, you can mix your 2 runs by choosing some hours with tracking and some hours with fixed plane.
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tracker rotation limitations - input confusion in 6.21
André Mermoud replied to deblynn's topic in Shadings and tracking
I don't see what you mean. The images correspond indeed to the parameters specified. Perhaps you don't interpret them correctly. -
The specificities are transmitted to the EXCEL database file, but only 4 lines (columns in EXCEL) are recorded. Sorry, we don't intend to offer possibilities of extending the "free" definitions of components in the present time.
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I don't see the difference you do between the feed-in tariff and the export tariff. However this tool doesn't offer very detailed economic calculations. There are so many ways of doing business plans and getting economic indexes. We intend to improve it in the next months.
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In the calculation version définitions, please use the button "Miscelleanous tools". Here you have an option for specifying a limit for the Grid power injection.
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The diffuse model is not selectable. - When creating a synthetic hourly data file, PVsyt uses the model implemented by Meteonorm. We don't have much details about it. - When importing matao data - In all other cases when importing hourly meteo data without diffuse, PVsyst uses the Erbs model, implemented within PVsyst. Now on the report, just the denomination has changed. In the first versions 6, imported hourly diffuse was named "measured". But it is usually not the case, as in the great majority of the imported meteo data the diffuse is also obtained from a model. Therefore the new denomination is "imported".
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module layout - compared to near shade only
André Mermoud replied to deblynn's topic in Shadings and tracking
It is normal that the electrical loss computed from the Module layout is lower than the crude approximation of the option "Shadings according to strings", which gives an upper limit. This is the reason of the parameter "Fraction for electrical effect", which you can adjust using the Module layout information. The relative position of the tables when defining the strings for the Module layout have no effect on the shading calculation. This arrangement is only a convenient way for defining all the tables at a time. We have improved this view recently. Since version 6.32, when the Pmpp of the shaded string is below the minimum voltage VmppMin of the inverter, the calculation searches for the second maximum within the voltage range. -
View energy production for each inverter in the system
André Mermoud replied to kepstein's topic in Suggestions
For defining dummy trackers, you can specify a tracker with the same properties of your active one, and set the corresponding PVArray area to 0 (or almost 0) by defining the top and bottom inactive bands. But sorry, giving specific results for sub-systems is not possible in the present time. If we want to do that with some generality, this requires a rather big programming work for the specification of the required values, the accumulation during the simulation and the presentation of the results. If we define this just for one or two specific cases, we will of course inmmediately have requests for other cases... -
OND file: Inverter Power Consumption using "Auxiliary Consumptions"
André Mermoud replied to david.stone's topic in How-to
Sorry, this is indeed an error in the translation file. For the Spanish and the Italian languages we have the inversion - Ausiliari (ventilatori, altro…) <=> Consumi notturni - Auxiliares (ventiladores, otros …) <=> Consumo nocturno Thank you for pointing this out. Such an error is almost impossible to detect by our own means. This will be corrected in the version 6.33.
