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This is a safety condition: the inverter maximum input voltage should never be overcome: this could damage the input electronics. Now Voc voltage of a PV array depends on the temperature: the practice is to take here the lower ambient temperature ever observed on the site. In middle regions of Europe the usual practice is to take -10°C (except in mountains where it should be lower). In the USA, people uses to takes the minimum observed during last 30 years. You can define this temperature in the Project dialog: - in the version 5: button "Site and Meteo > Next". - in the version 6: button "Albedo and settings" If you really want to overcome this limit (at your own risk), you have to change the VmaxAbs value in the inverter's definition (and sometimes also the limit for the PV module).
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In PVsyst the orientation conventions are (contrary to Architect's conventions): - For Northern hemisphere, the Azimuth = 0° corresponds to the South. The azimuth is positive towards west (clockwise angles). Therefore: East = -90°, West = +90°, North = + or -180° - For Southern hemisphere, the Azimuth = 0° corresponds to the North. The azimuth is positive towards west (anti-clockwise angles). Therefore: East = -90°, West = +90°, South = + or -180° These configurations are explicit on the little graphs when defining the plane orientation. Note about red dots: The red dots have no "physical" meaning (it is not the same point on both diagrams) ! By convention in PVsyst the red dot is always a dot that you can drag with the mouse. For example in the Orientation graphs, on the left diagram it commands the tilt, and on the right diagram it commands the orientation.
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Near Shadings > Compute Shading Factor crashes the program
André Mermoud replied to bheilig's topic in Problems / Bugs
In the 3D tool, the sheds should not be defined for each module. These are generic surfaces ("tables") for receiving sets of modules, and should be defined as big as possible for avoiding too high calculation time. Please see With my big power plant, the calculation time is prohibitive in the FAQ. -
The Meteonorm program (V7.1, fully included in PVsyst V6) holds measured meteo data for about 1'500 sites in the world, named "Stations" (10-30 years monthly averages, in the range 1980-2010). But it allows also to get meteo data for any location on the earth, either by interpolation (between the 3 nearest stations), or on the basis of satellite data when no sufficiently near site is available. The "native" database present in PVsyst is based on these 1'500 Meteonorm measuring "stations". However in the PVsyst "Databases > Geographical sites" option, you can choose any location on a google map (or simply by specifying the coordinates), and get meteo data for this location either from Meteonorm or from the NASA-SSE database. Please see the post below for the procedure. Therefore even if you don't see your country in the database list, it will be present after you will have defined a site for your location. Now you have tools in the software for easily importing data from many well-known irradiation databases: Meteonorm (whole earth), Satellight (Europe), PVGIS (Europe and Africa), Nasa-SSE (whole earth), Soda-Helioclim, Retscreen, NREL TMY3 or SolarAnywhere(SUNY) in the US, EPW in Canada, NREL(TMY3) for India, etc. For this, please open "Databases" / "Import Meteo Data", choose the source, and press F1 for more details in the Help, a description of each source and the procedure for importing them. If you can obtain climate data from your Meteorological Service, of if you have your own measured data, you have also a general tool for importing data from almost any ASCII (text) file. Now there are several companies which distribute Satellite recent data for anywhere on the earth: e.g. SolarGIS, Helioclim-SoDa, 3Tiers, Vortex . They avail of recent data in hourly values, but this is for pay. You can also import these data readily into PVsyst using "Databases" / "Import Meteo data". NB: when you have Meteo data in Monthly values, you have to generate a synthetic hourly file for using them in the simulation.
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You have tools in the software for easily importing data from many irradiation databases: - 3TIER-Vaisala (recent satellite data for the whole world, for pay), - ASHRAE IWEC2 (hourly TMY, whole world), - Canada EPW (Hourly TMY) for Canada, - Explorador Solar (Chile), - Meteonorm (whole world), - NASA-SSE: monthly data for the whole world, by cells of 1°x 1° lat/longitude (110 km), - NREL TMY for the USA and for India, - PVGIS (Europe, with also a new database of recent data, and Africa), - Retscreen (canadian program, montly values), - ReuniWatt (recent satellite data for the whole world, for pay), - Satellight (Hourly values for any pixel of 5 x 7 km2 in Europe), - Soda-Helioclim (monthly and Hourly values for Europe), - SolarAnywhere : recent satellite hourly data for the USA and Hawaïï - SolarGIS: recent satellite data for the whole world, for pay. - VortexSolar: recent satellite data for the whole world, for pay. For this, please open "Databases" / "Import Meteo Data", and press F1 for more details, a description of each source and the procedure for importing them. If you can obtain climate data from your Meteorological Service, of your own measurements, you have also a general tool for importing data from almost any ASCII file.
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In PVsyst, we have taken the convention to label all data which don't correspond to measured data at a given time as 1990. This is the case, namely, of all Synthetic hourly data, or TMY/DRY datafiles (assemblies of periods of different years). In most results (tables/graphs) the references labels will appear without year reference (generic year). The meteonorm data present in the software for any location on the earth are averaged value (over 10 years or more). When using them the software will tell you the years range of these particular data, depending on the region, usually between 1990 and 2010. The NASA-SSE data of PVsyst are averages of 1983 to 2005 years. Now if you want to perform simulations for one or several "real" years, you have to get the data of each of these years of course (from another source). NB: PVsyst is only able to treat data of one year at a time. Several years will give rise to several *.MET files, and several simulation runs.
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No. PVsyst is only able to treat data of at most one year at a time. Several years will give rise to several meteo files (*.MET files), and therefore several Simulation runs. After performing these simulations you can average the results if you want. Please note that the TMY2/3 databases don't provide 30 years of data, as often believed.
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The simulation is based on an hourly data file (*.MET). When only monthly values are available, PVsyst generates hourly values according to a model in a stochastic (random) process. For irradiances, PVsyst uses the "Collares-Pereira" model, which generates a series of daily irradiations, and then hourly irradiances within each day, using fully stochastic process (Markov matrices). This model tries to reproduce irradiance time series, with a statistical behaviour analogous to measured values in several sites in the world. The result will be a synthetic hourly year, which is completely different from one execution to another one. During simulation of a grid-connected system, the differences on the yearly yield may be usually up to 0.5 to sometimes 1%. The effect will be higher when simulating systems with non-linear beghaviour like stand-alone. For temperatures, as the temperatures are mainly governed by atmospheric circulations rather than irradiation, we don't have any model relying the daily temperature to the irradiations. Nevertheless the temperature within a given day is rather well correlated to the irradiance. It takes a rather sinusoidal shape, with an amplitude about proportional to the daily irradiation, and a phase-shift of about 3 hours. In absence of a day-to-day model, the passage to the next day is randomly modified in order to obtain the required monthly average and a reasonable amplitude. Therefore, the model waits for the "meteo" monthly average temperature (24h)" (not the Daytime average !), and irradiance data. For constructing a Synthetic Meteo file, please use "Tools" / "Synthetic Hourly Data Generation". When choosing a site within a project, PVsyst will automatically create the corresponding Synthetic file if there is no corresponding file in the \Meteo\ database elaborated by Meteonorm. NB: The Collares-Pereira model has been established in the 1980's, when the irradiance was not so well understood as nowadays. To my knowing nobody has published about this model since these early researches. The version 5.xx of PVsyst uses this original version of the model. However the Meteonorm team has significanntly improved the model, and implemented it in the new Meteonorm program. The version 6 of PVsyst makes use of this new version of the synthetic generation model.
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You can import hourly or daily meteo data from almost any Text (ASCII) file, provided that there are data of one recording time step on one line. For this please use "Databases" / "Import ASCII meteo file" and press F1 for getting the detailed procedure. After importing, please carefully check the quality of your imported values, especially their time definition, with the tool "Meteo tables and Graphs" / "Check data quality". You have information about data quality in the help (typing F1): "Geographical and Meteorological data > Hourly meteorological data > Hourly meteo data quality check".
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PVsyst is only able to perform simulations starting from the Horizontal irradiance GlobHor. This is motivated by the fact that we only avail of models for estimating the Diffuse irradiance in the horizontal plane (the diffuse irradiance is used namely for transposition model and shading or IAM calculations). Therefore starting from Plane irradiance (POA) requires first to perform a retro-transposition for getting the horizontal global and diffuse irradiances, which will lead to the specified POA after transposition. This uses the Liu-Jordan (or Erbs) model for the evaluation of diffuse. When using these data, the simulation should retrieve the exact input POA value. If this is not the case, it indicates that there was a problem during the import process. The usual problem is a time shift between the measurement time and the PVsyst time. If the measurements are not accumulated at the exact time (for example between 9:00 and 10:00 for the PVsyst 9:00 step), the solar geometry is not computed at the right time (middle of the interval) and the transposition my lead to very high errors in the morning or the evening, i.e. when the sun is low on the horizon (as the POA irradiance is divided by sin Hsol). This may lead to very high erroneous horizontal Global, which will be limited to the clear day model. In these cases a Time shift correction should be applied, already during the import process.
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In PVsyst I have taken the convention of always labelling the beginning of a time step (8:00 corresponds 8:00 to 9:00 average). This allows to label the hours, days or months in the same way. Now if your own data are referred to the end of the hour (or other time step, you have an option in the importing format for taking this into account). See My transposed POA values don't match the imported values in this forum.
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I have done a comparison between the different sources of data imported in PVsyst, and available for Europe: we can observe a discrepancy of the order of +/- 10 % (yearly sums) between all these sources, and this is of course the first uncertainty of the PV production forecast. This comparison is available in the PVsyst help "Geographical and Meteorological data > Import from Meteorological data sources > Meteorological data comparisons", or summarized on our site http://www.pvsyst.com. The differences may be attributed to the different years or periods concerned (climatic variations), the accuracy of the mesurements (sensor calibration, or models for satellite data), the quality of the data recording, etc. For example, the European climate has significantly evolved: we observe an increase of the order of 5% on an average since the beginning of this century in all measurements. This is namely apparent with the PVGIS database: the new SAF irradiation measurements (based on recent satellite data) are about 5% over the "classic" data from terrestrial measurements of the ESRA project (1981-1990). I don't have such a study for other regions of the world. For the USA, the TMY3 are probably reliable data, based on 1961-1990 measurements, and used as reference by everybody. A new database managed by the NREL (SolarAnywhere - SUNY model) provides recent satellite data for the whole territory. The direct import from this database will be available in the version 6, but you can already import these data as ASCII files in the present version. Please also refer to the works of Pierre Ineichen, available on our site http://www.pvsyst.com: "Global irradiation: average and typical year, and year to year annual variability", Ineichen, P., 2011, Research report of the Institut of the Environnemental Sciences, University of Geneva. and "Five satellite products deriving beam and global irradiance validation on data from 23 ground stations (IEA)", Ineichen, P., 2011, Research report of the Institut of the Environnemental Sciences, University of Geneva. Now please observe: we can have some quality criteria. But probably nobody knows which source is the most reliable, and which one will represent at best the future climate of a given site !
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It is often believed that the TMY2/3 databases provide 30 years of real data. This is not true. The definition of "TMY - Typical Meteorological Year" (or "DRY - Design reference Year") is a one-year data construction, which gathers pieces of measurements (2-4 weeks) picked up from usually 30 years of real measurements, in order to construct a representative year for systems sizing or building thermal behaviour analysis. This construction obeys precise rules, and aims to provide an average year, but including some extreme values. The TMY3 are constructed using more recent data than the TMY2 (1991-2005 against 1961-1990 respectively). Please refer to the NREL site for TMY3 data. Now if you can get some real years of recent measurements (for example from SolarAnywhere of NREL), you can do the simulation for each available year, and then average the results (on a monthly or yearly basis).
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The global irradiance is always a sum of the Beam, Diffuse, and Albedo components. With meteo data (on horizontal plane) there is no albedo of course, as the horizontal plane doesn't "see" the surrounding ground; therefore GlobH = BeamH + DiffH. If the global and DNI are available in the data, but not the diffuse, PVsyst calculates the corresponding Diffuse component from these data, and at execution the specified DNI will be restituted. Now if Diffuse and Beam (horizontal or DNI) are both specified in a dataset, there is a redundancy. The DNI can be deduced from the GlobH and DiffH (it is a definition, using the solar geometry, and doesn't imply any physical model). If there is a discrepancy with the DNI given in the file, it is an inconsitancy in the data, and PVsyst has no mean for managing this of course.
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In the optimization diagram obtained by "Tools" / "Transposition Factor", the optimum may not be at azimuth = 0°. First please observe that this optimum is extremely flat: a little deviation is not significant concerning the actual value of the transposition Factor. Now this may have several causes: With Synthetic hourly data, the optimum shoud theoretically be centered. It is indeed often slightly shifted towards west, probably due to an insignificant anisotropy in the Collares-Pereira model ? With measured values in hourly values: - If ground measurements, there may be an horizon shading, either in the morning or in the evening, - Weather asymmetries like morning smogs (West shift) or evening storms (East shifts), - With your own measurements, there may be a time shift in your recorded data by respect to the PVsyst time, - With original POA measurements there may be an inaccurcy in the solarimeter orientation definition. NB: This tool deals with irradiance only. The temperature of the array - which is higher in the afternoon - is not taken into account in this optimization, and could deviate the optimum towards east.
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In PVsyst, the import of POA values uses a retro-transposition (with Hay model) and creates a file with GlobHor and DiffHor hourly values. During the simulation, the transposition should indeed restitute exactly (within epsilon) the input POA values, provided that the input data are correct and correctly imported, and you use the Hay model in your simulation. An error in the time defintion may produce very high errors in the morning or the evening, when the sun's height is low (as the POA beam has to be divided by sin(Hsol)). In case of errors the horizontal beam in the early morning may become several tausends of W/m2... PVsyst limits it to the Clear day model, and this is the main source of your "errors". (I have event seen POA bad data with significant values before sunrise or after sunset... ) Please carefully check your meteo file using "Tools" / "Meteo Tables and Graphs" / "Check data quality". If there is a time shift you should correct it already at the import time (as the retro-transposition depends on the solar geometry of course). You can also verify whether your POA and transposition values are identical: - Either using the Table in Hourly values, and display both POA and Transposed values - Or with this table, by producing a CSV file and check (in EXCEL) which hourly values are not identical: these will only be morning or evening values! For correcting the time step you have several possibilities: - The importing format protocol has a specification "Interval Beginning" and "Interval End", corresponding to the time step definition of your original data. NB: If your data time step is less than 1 hour, this will act on the interval itself (i.e. produce a time shift of 5 minutes for 5 min steps). - You can change the timezone of the site used as geographic reference. - You can eventually shift the column of hours by one hour in your original data file (be careful with 24H00 and 0H00), - Please make sure that you have defined "Legal Time" and not "Solar Time" as time base. "Solar time" is the time definition for which the sun passes through south at 12:00 (days don't have 24H anymore). It is never used. Additional information You will find more information in the help of the software: "Meteo Database > Notes on Meteo > Meteonote8_Hourly data quality check" and " ... > Meteonote9_Time shift in meteo files". Or simply press F1 from the "Check data quality" page.
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Sorry, I will correct this for the next version.
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You can use the "Financial balance" option only when you have completely defined the Investment and financing part, which is the starting point of the long term balance.
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You should use the "Tracking Tilted or Horizontal N/S axis" option. Your axis is N/S , not E/W oriented.
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The counties listed in the definition of a geographic site are just a list of the countriesof already defined sites in the database. If you create a new site and don't find your country, you can simply type it in the ComboBox.
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I have done a comparison between the different sources of data imported in PVsyst, and available for Europe: we can observe a discrepancy of the order of +/- 10 % (yearly sums) between all these sources, and this is of course the first uncertainty of the PV production forecast. Please see the FAQ What is the accuracy of the different meteo data ? And I agree with Marvin: nobody knows where is the truth (if truth exists) ...
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There is necessarily a combination of Time zone definition and time shift which should match the internal time of PVsyst. This is defined as the beginning of the interval (8:00 means the period of 8:00 to 9:00). If you have constructed an hourly file from 5 min data, you can define the hours in this way, and therefore the time shift should be 0 (you have put 30 min). You can also change the time stamps of you data (i.e. just shift the column of hours by one hour - i.e. one cell). You have specified GHI (Global Horizontal) irradiances, when you have defined a plane of 50° tilt: is your irradiance measured with a solarimeter in this plane ? In this case you shoud define GPI (Global plane Irradiance, or POA), and not GHI, so that PVsyst understands that this is an irradiance oin a tilted plane. But this is not the best suited tool for importing your data: the "standard format" of PVsyst is meant for representing a full year of clean data (i.e. from "official" database"). You should use "Tools" / "Import ASCII meteo files" instead, which accepts almost any format of data. When in this tool you press F1 for getting the procedure. This tool will accept your 5-minutes data as such, and gather them into hourly data in a clean way. It will also create a file just matching your data (i.e. one month, up to one day, accepting holes, an so on), without the necessity of defining dummy values. And as you don't avail of temperatures, it will manage the generation of temperatures, on the basis of externally specified monthly values. Please carefully read the Help "Geographical and Meteorological data > Import of hourly data ASCII files" and "Geographical and Meteorological data > Import of custom hourly data ASCII files > Conversion protocol".
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You are right: I tried to define your pump and did not succeed. There is a problem in the software with the definition of centrifugal pumps using the efficiency as input parameters, that I have to analyse and correct for a next version of PVsyst.
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In the PV module: The area is defined as the gross size of the module: Length x Width. Except with tile-modules, where this is may be defined as the apparent area. This is the reference surface for the determination of the efficiency. Now in the PV module you can also define the area of the cells (sensitive area): this is only used for the evaluation of the cell's efficiency, i.e. a characteristics of the PV module technology. The simulation uses the rough area of the modules for the evaluation of the efficiency. In the 3D shading part: In a first step, the areas are defined independtly of the modules: these are generic surfaces which may receive the installation of modules, whatever their size, disposition, and spacing between them. The shading factor calculation is not very sensitive to the real area. These plane areas may (should) be over-sized in order to be sufficient for receiving the modules. When you exit the 3D editor, PVsyst will check that you have defined sufficient room for placing the modules defined in the System part. This should not be less than the total modules area, but may be largely oversized. In a final step (in the future version 6) the layout of the modules will have to be fully defined on these surfaces, in order to compute the electrical effects of the shadings. After this definition the 3D areas will be readjusted to the real position of the modules and their eventual spacing.