raul.martin Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Hi, I’m working in a project with vertical panels (tilt = 90º) and an orientation E-W (-90º). I realized some problems when working with that configuration in PVsyst:- The performance ratio is over 100 % : I find performance ratios around 120-145 % which should be impossible as the theorical maximum performance ratio of a panel is 100 %.- I run a test with a near shading scene where I have only one tree and only one table of panels. If I put my table at the west of the tree, I have near shading losses of around 30 %, but if I put it at the same distance but at the east I have only 2 % of irradiance losses, which doesn’t make any sense. I think that the losses should be quite similar in both cases. My system is a bifacial one, so the panel is supposed to produce electricity from both sides, and I think that PVsyst is only considering the irradiance arriving on one side. Thank you for your answer. Raúl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Oliosi Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Hi,The bifacial model only considers mutual shadings due to the geometric arrangement of the PV tables, and not the shadings extracted from the 3D scene. The 3D scene only affects the front side. This is due to the analytic nature of the bifacial model, that works under the assumption of regular rows of tables or trackers.The performance ratio used by PVsyst is the standard one, i.e. normalized to the frontside POA irradiance, please see https://www.pvsyst.com/help/performance_ratio.htm for its definition. This is why it can be above 100% for bifacial systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtarin Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Correct me if I am wrong, but you can manually calculate the correct PR by including the rear-side irradiance. For a vertical system, this is necessary since the rear-irradiance contribution is significant, and you will likely have irradiance instrumentation on both sides of the module in a constructed facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Oliosi Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 @dtarin yes indeed, the norm IEC 61724-1:2021 https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/65561 explains how to compute a "bifacial" PR. This is however not included in the results of PVsyst yet, so at the moment you have to do the calculation by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Dear all, I was researching vertical panel simulations. I'm simulating a a system with 43,6 kWp, bifacial panels, E/W orientation, tilt 90°. Bifacial configuration include the option "Use unlimited sheds 2D models". Distance between panels (pitch) and Height above are design specifications. Shed width is based in height of panels. The albedo was selected according to PVsyst tables that relate soil type. Image 1 as reference My specific question is about the results, since the "losses array" returned a negative value (indicating a supposed gain? which doesn't make sense) which is not expected. Can you tell me what this means? Or possible causes for this supposed error? image 2 as reference. Thank you in advance for your attention, I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Eduardo. Image 1 Image 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Oliosi Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 The calculation of the normalized production and losses is based on monofacial systems. Indeed, for some bifacial systems, and in particular vertical bifacial which have a large bifacial yield, the effective irradiance is higher than the front-side incident irradiance. In the diagram or in the array losses label, you therefore get negative values. The diagram does not really work in this case, actually. The results are however correct, it's just the definition of array losses which is not adapted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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