Polystring option (mixed orientation within a string)

[julmou]

Good morning,

I was reading this post in the FAQ from 2012 by Andre Mermoud:

https://forum.pvsyst.com/topic/83-can-i-define-a-system-with-2-orientations-on-a-same-inverter/

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However when putting modules of a same string in 2 different orientations leads to a the mismatch in current (due to different irradiances), which may be very important. This would be a very bad system and PVsyst doesn't allow it. This configuration would only be acceptable when using optimizers performing MPPT at the module level, but this is not yet implemented in PVsyst.

However, I do know of some installations in Perth in Australia, with different orientations on the same string(for example, when the roof facades are pretty small and there are only 3 modules on one side -> this is not enough in terms of voltage to make it a separate string, hence, it's connected with the other roof side which has 8 modules for example, making it a "polystring" of 11 modules with mixed orientation).

I acknowledge that this might be a bad design, however, sometimes the house constraints don't allow another option, and it would still be interesting to know the production and the losses in that situation, and be able to compare a variant with just the 8 modules on a single orientation vs. the 11 modules with mixed orientation, and see what's the benefit.

Finally, we are asked more and more to design systems with SolarEdge optimizers and inverters, it would be interesting if we could simulate a single string with mixed orientation and optimizers. Any update on this?

 

[Bruno Wittmer]

To allow PV modules with different orientations within the same string, would mean a profound modification in the way PVsyst models the PV arrays. Therefore it is unlikely that this will be implemented sometime soon.

The situation might be different for the SolarEdge architecture. These systems are already handled in a special way by the simulation, and here it might be easier to add the complexity of multi-orientation strings. This is a topic that is being discussed within our team, but there is no timeline yet for an implementation.

[Nick Rouse]

I have just spent most of the day trying to set up a mixed orientation string SolarEdge system with optimizers. I can understand the reluctance to undertake the work needed to allow this option but it cannot be too great an effort to bring up an understandable error message if such a thing is attempted.

[MGLopez]

Hello,

I have the same problem : I am asked to cover the maximum surface of the roofs and therefore I have 3 small sub-arrays with different shades but all the Solaredge optimizers will be in a single string.

If I select only 1 string per inverter, PVsyst proposes 3 inverters.

If I leave 3 strings per inverter, then PVSyst refuses to launch the computation, stating that the string voltage will be too small !

[DICKSON]

Can I Confirm that this is Still not possible?

 

[kjs55]

Hello, I'd also like to kindly request that PVsyst please update us (the userbase) on this. It's now common to mix multiple orientations in one single series string in the case of DC/DC optimizers (e.g., SolarEdge). However, PVsyst's above reply indicates it's not possible to model this common, real-world scenario in PVsyst.

Is it possible as of today's latest version (PVsyst v7.3)? If so, how? If not, is it on PVsyst's product development roadmap? If so, what's the anticipated release date? If not, why? Any such guidance is much appreciated. Thanks.

[MicheleANE]

Hello,

Just to add some to this.

This effect is also present, in a more limited form, in large scale plants on hilly terrains. In most cases small tables are used to better adapt to the terrain and strings are made up of several arrays. In these cases there will be a mismatch of current because of the different POA irradiation in these several tables.

It would be fantastic if this could be calculated in PVsyst.

Best regards

[Alexander_Erber]

Hello,

I have encountered the same problem with polystring-simulation. 

Can anyone confirm if I can simulate the following system in PVSyst (image from PV*Sol).

Inverter would be Fronius Symo 4.5-3-M. Strings in orange and red are the two MPPT-strings.

Thanks in advance and best Regards

[Michele Oliosi]

Dear Alexander,
No sorry as in the cases above, having a string (1.2.x.x in your drawing) with multiple orientations is not yet possible in PVsyst.

[Alexander_Erber]

Dear Michele,

Thank you for your answer.

Best regards,

Alex

[Alexander_Erber]

Dear Michele,

Will there be a change, with the upcoming PVsyst 8 Version, regarding the mixed module orientations in one string?

Best regards,

Alex

[Michele Oliosi]

Not in v8.0. This may come later, but we haven't started the development for this correction yet.